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hey everybody welcome back we're ready

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to get into it today and uh Our Guest is

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somebody who is the leading Roswell

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expert now we are not going to just tell

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the story of Roswell Beat It To Death

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that's one of his books right there

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among many I found 10 just going online

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Jay he's got a few seven time

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best-selling author as well but we want

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to get some info that a lot of people

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don't know and we want to clarify some

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of the myths there's a lot of things

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people say oh I heard Roswell was this I

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heard this happen what's real and what's

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not and we want to do that in a concise

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quick way without beating a dead horse

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but give you guys some cool new info I

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think that's gonna work out also we'll

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get his opinion on crazy balloon flap

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again don't want to beat this thing to

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death I'm pretty much sick of hearing

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about spy balloons and UFOs in our Sky

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then but you gotta ask them you gotta

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ask them I guess it's relevant we're

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gonna ask I'm just we beat it to death

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pretty good the other day

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Schmidt on the show

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend Mr

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Jason gilmette how you doing I'm I'm

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doing good it's been a heck of a week

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I've been looking forward to talking

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with Don all week and this has been uh

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something that we've talked about for

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for quite some time so having them on

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today is going to be awesome absolutely

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and again our mission statement on this

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show is bringing you the most informed

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and most reputable people on the topic

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they've been doing this for decades and

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studying and have far more knowledge

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than we do but we want to give our

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audience that that knowledge in a

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digestible little snippet and again

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super excited about today's guest this

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gentleman is a researcher TV presenter

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seven time best-selling author some of

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his books include UFO crash at Roswell

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UFO Secrets inside right Patterson

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witness to Roswell inside the real area

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51. uh he served as a director of

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special investigations for the Jay Allen

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Center for UFO studies also known as

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kufos and he's a founder and board

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advisor of the international

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UFO Museum and Research Center which is

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in Roswell New Mexico so the most uh

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probably learned Gentleman on the

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Roswell topic we're going to pick his

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brain but a warm welcome to the show Mr

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Donald Raymond Schmidt well thank you

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for having me both to you so uh I just

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do a quick correction it's the JL and

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through the eminent astrophysicist yes

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who consultant to the Air Force for 20

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years and then he founded the center and

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with the museum out in Roswell my my now

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my new official title is lead

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investigator very good so uh I will

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accept that yeah congratulations so tell

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us a little bit about yourself pre-ufo

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interest kind of what got you into it

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you know we usually know most of the big

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kind of hear what their personal life

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was like and what led them down this

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of all things it was the the Kennedy

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and I was a young boy that particular

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weekend and how we had all been sent

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the television for three solid days you

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know just uh in awe of uh not so much

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the president being assassinated but how

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books on history on science that type of

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thing and I had um wandered off into the

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book section of a department store and

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that was using the exact same words in

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defining the then released Warren report

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official investigation and the words

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whitewash and cover-up

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assassination it was a book entitled

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flying saucers serious business

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particular chapter entitled who's

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accounts those anecdotes

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and I couldn't get my my next UFO book

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fast enough and the next one and the

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next one the next one and before you

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know it right through college I was

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organization

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a number of my reports came across the

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very desk of JL and heineck

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and I happen to live two hours just

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Evanston he was head of the astronomy

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department at Northwestern University at

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that time and he invited me to come down

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phone calls from the man himself Don I'd

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like you to look into this case I we

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have a report from this area that would

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uh scientific uh as far as a director

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would Alan say Dr heinek what would

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fact that he was also looking into

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we found all types of handwritten notes

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that he was interviewing Witnesses and

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this needs to be followed up on this

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needs to be investigated

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and I'll be a posthumously the fact that

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once we as Skeptics decided to actually

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fully confident that we would wrap this

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jail and honey kind of whispering in my

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there's much more to this than you think

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now over 30 years later and for having

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interviewed over 600 Witnesses either

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directly or indirectly involved I think

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we've we've we've clearly have shown

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that uh something truly extraordinary

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crashed back in 1947 and it's become the

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granddaddy of all UFO cases as a result

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right and we've we've heard of other

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Crash retrievals from the United States

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at different times throughout history so

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some crafts to it I I'm not sure what um

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but I'm a huge believer in the story and

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when he said that the US government had

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nine crafts in their possession that is

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huge that is you know it's one thing

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having one or two crafts but having nine

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uh and none of them look the same

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you know when you hear about the Roswell

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crash it's not that far out to think

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that maybe that's when we started

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retrieving these things seriously and

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looking at them as machines uh but yeah

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your book I mean I got it right here

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yes yeah and then became a movie it

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became the movie right yeah and I mean

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the investigation into this like how

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was there a point that you were

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absolutely convinced throughout the

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investigation that this was there was

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something actually there worth

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investigating like there must have been

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a trigger point where you discovered

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something new that led you down the

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rabbit hole do you remember what that

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was there were two things

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to the wreckage

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whether it was military or civilian

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extraordinary terms

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that it possessed Perfect Memory that it

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you know Unbreakable

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they were describing i-beams with you

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know strange symbology hieroglyphic like

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they typically were Military Officers

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with pensions and uh you know security

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were most likely The Reluctant Witnesses

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who would always tell us

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we can't talk about that

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an example would be Lieutenant Colonel

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Edwin Easley who was the Provost Marshal

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at Roswell in 1947.

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and he stated over and over again I

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can't talk about this I'm still sworn to

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secrecy now mind you this is 43 years

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after the fact

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and he is still unequivocally stating I

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cannot talk about this

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why or what is still so highly

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remains under you have the tightest as

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the more it become all the more

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intrigued to find out what could it

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explore all the alternative explanations

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even all the way up to a Japanese atomic

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we were going for broke we were just

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and it still always came back to but we

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we can disqualify that and the one thing

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that always stood out

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where the AI witnessed testimonies right

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to their very deathbeds stating that it

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was a flying saucer that it was

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something manufactured off the Earth

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and for that same reason then if I

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accept Roswell where I went from a full

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skeptic to now where I'm 99.9 convinced

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it's it's a big difference than

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believing

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you know I've

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I've taken this as far as I can

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and now I accept

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almost without a shadow of a doubt that

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it did happen but then I have to also

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accept it makes everything else possible

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I just can't rule out another crash

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another event because Roswell makes

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everything else possible

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yeah right one of the things I find

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fascinating is you know the stories of

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entities that were recovered uh you know

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subsequent autopsy videos I've even seen

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a video with supposedly an alien that

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they were trying to communicate with and

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what are your again it's our viewers

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want to know all the uh all the old

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cliche stuff as well too right but what

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are your thoughts on that was there an

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ET creature did we you know work with

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this thing did we just test it and

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torture it to death like what happened

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there were three distinct sites related

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to this one event this one craft this

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one object there was a debris field

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which

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we have now to date we've had five

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archaeological digs searching for

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remnants searching for physical evidence

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we confirmed for example that there was

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a 10 foot wide

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about 200 foot long gouge where

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something had impacted and skipped

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across the desert floor

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for for some uh distance

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and then it was a secondary body site

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about two and a half miles east

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Southeast of that location

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where two bodies were recovered whether

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they had been ejected due to the

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percussion of the explosion uh the

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decompression or they had ejected

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who can say it but nonetheless there

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were two bodies at that location and

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then along that same trajectory route

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there were another three bodies plus a

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survivor

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and the remains of a pod a capsule about

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the size of a Volkswagen Beetle

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egg-shaped and this was about 35 miles

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north

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of Roswell

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so along that same trajectory line a

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debrief field a secondary body site and

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then a final impact point

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so we have first-hand witnesses both

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military and civilian

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to not only the bodies but also the

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Survivor

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we have witnesses at the site we

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Witnesses at the B-29 Hangar it was

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called P3 back in 1947 it's now known as

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building 84.

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we have witnesses at the base Hospital

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who also saw the Survivor

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and then we have the testimony

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of a retired Colonel he was a triple Ace

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in World War II Marion Magruder who

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independently told his five Sons he was

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part of the wart college class of 4748

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and they were put on assignment at

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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

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right field slash Wright Patterson

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based on all the eyewitness accounts

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became the final

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depository where all the wreckage where

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the bodies and the Survivor were taken

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to Dayton Ohio

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so it was a predecessor to Area 51 51

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didn't come into existence until 1955 so

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eight years later

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so right field

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Wright-Patterson was the most advanced

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uh foreign technology division they did

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all the reverse engineering of captured

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weaponry and Armory after World War II

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for example it was if if we came into

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possession of anything foreign in this

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case truly foreign that's where it would

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have been sent

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well anyway we confirmed that zebruder

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or a Magruder I was talking about

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Kennedy I'm talking about the zubruder

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film sorry but Magruder

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was a sign we have the documents April

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of 48 to write Pat in Dayton Ohio

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well he would have told his sons that

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they were shown the wreckage from

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Roswell and they were allowed to handle

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it and it's memory qualities

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that no matter how you bent it no matter

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how you creased it or folded it up or

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crumbled it up every time you placed it

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down it would unravel and assume its

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original shape and size right before

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your eyes

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but then he described how we were then

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taken into another room

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and the lights came on and there within

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a glass

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room

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was something that clearly was not human

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and we were informed it was the Lone

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Survivor from Roswell

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and he described the pity that he felt

405
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that we were treating it like a guinea

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pig

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and that later he would hear that

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it died due to just all of the testing

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that obviously we took it it was a

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captive we took it into our possession

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and we're treating it like a lab animal

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and I guess that's human nature and

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something that I would think even to

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this day that's precisely what we would

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do but the point being that for having

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the high

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we have you know received testimonies

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from

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I had no doubt that there was a Survivor

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there was a lone survivor recovered at

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Roswell

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hmm

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yeah and I'm excited from that I was

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hoping that was the answer because it's

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very cool it's plausible and you know to

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throw out that possibility means you got

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to throw out all these people's

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testimony that I you know heard of and

429
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read as well so so thank you for that

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well and uh and you all you both

431
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understand I mean

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I can go on because the details the

433
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number of witnesses that I have to

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encapsulate it's almost like creating a

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composite of just multiple characters

436
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:50,460
and you have to you know contrive it all

437
00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:54,960
into one individual so it's it's much

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more involved as I'm sure you you bought

439
00:19:01,669 --> 00:19:00,360
that you know you can imagine but

440
00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:01,679
nonetheless I'm still trying to

441
00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:03,900
summarize and and still be as precise

442
00:19:07,310 --> 00:19:06,120
and the point as it can be yeah we

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00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,320
appreciate that and we only have an

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00:19:11,330 --> 00:19:08,880
hour-long program too we don't want to

445
00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:11,340
beat any one topic to death but that was

446
00:19:15,409 --> 00:19:13,620
perfect that's uh that quenches my

447
00:19:19,010 --> 00:19:15,419
curiosity on that so

448
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:19,020
well yeah Roswell has always been an

449
00:19:22,730 --> 00:19:20,880
interesting case I mean from the from

450
00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:22,740
the onset that means the first time that

451
00:19:28,130 --> 00:19:24,980
we had the government actually come out

452
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:28,140
within you know a few hours of the crash

453
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:30,960
saying that there's possible UFO crash

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in the desert of New Mexico then the

455
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next day they recanted it and said no no

456
00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:36,720
it wasn't it uh it was just a mistake it

457
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:38,280
was a weather balloon

458
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:41,520
but but actually it wasn't just a few

459
00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:46,559
hours after they learned of the crash

460
00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:49,260
um the Rancher the ranch Foreman who

461
00:19:55,610 --> 00:19:52,140
first discovered this debris field that

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00:19:58,010 --> 00:19:55,620
covered an area of almost a mile long

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00:19:59,870 --> 00:19:58,020
that's a tremendous amount of wreckage

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00:20:02,510 --> 00:19:59,880
of material

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and it's one of the reasons that as we

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00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,140
retract down the people who were

467
00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:06,720
involved in the recovery operation

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00:20:14,510 --> 00:20:09,780
we've been told that there were 50 to 60

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00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:14,520
men who were out there for three full

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days loading up

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crate after crate after crate and we

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even Tracked Down the drivers of the

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trucks who were transporting the

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wreckage back down the Roswell and then

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returning with another empty truck to

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pick up another load

477
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the point I'm making is that the Rancher

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he made the long Trek into Roswell it

479
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was a 75 mile or a mile drive back at

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that time doesn't sound like much today

481
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but back then many of the roads were

482
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just dirt pack uh rubber tires were at a

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premium uh your risk breakdown out in

484
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the middle of nowhere so he had to make

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the effort and he drove all the way to

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Roswell now he did not go to the

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military base he went to the Sheriff's

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Office

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by the time the military became involved

490
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and it was important enough that they

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alerted the very base commander Colonel

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William Blanchard about the incident

493
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so in other words it keeps going up in

494
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importance hour after hour after hour

495
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and Blanchard after he has dispatched

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not a couple but listed men to follow

497
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the Rancher back and check it out no he

498
00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:31,500
sends out the two head of intelligence

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major Jesse Marcel and Captain Sheridan

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Cabot the head of Counter Intelligence

501
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in the event it's something foreign

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also demonstrating that they can't

503
00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,299
recognize this wreckage nothing's been

504
00:21:51,169 --> 00:21:47,700
reported missing they haven't been put

505
00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:51,179
on alert as to any down aircraft or any

506
00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:53,880
tests that have gone off course it's a

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Fourth of July weekend down here in

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America it's most the men are home on

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leave with their families

510
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:05,460
and Blanchard he calls up his boss

511
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and they in turn contact the Pentagon

512
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and then it's General Clements McMullen

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who was Deputy commander of Strategic

514
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Air Command for the Air Force at that

515
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:19,760
time he calls up

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00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,799
Blanchard's boss and has some of the

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wreckage brought in by the Rancher flown

518
00:22:29,570 --> 00:22:26,640
to Washington

519
00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:29,580
the point being Washington already has

520
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:32,700
some of the actual wreckage in Hand by

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late Sunday July 6th

522
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:38,220
the press release

523
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:41,460
to clearly show that this was not just

524
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,100
some overreaction or a knee-jerk

525
00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:47,280
response on the part of Roswell it

526
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:51,539
doesn't go out until Tuesday July 8th

527
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so they had a full day and a half to

528
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,440
decide what to do about this

529
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,480
and they decided

530
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:03,120
like the proverbial straw man first you

531
00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:05,580
build it up then you tear it down Brazil

532
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,740
the Rancher had gone to the sheriff he

533
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,600
had already talked to the Press they

534
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:12,240
couldn't deny that nothing crashed that

535
00:23:16,669 --> 00:23:13,380
nothing happened

536
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,679
so the first it's a flying saucer and

537
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then within five hours it slowly evolves

538
00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:22,320
into a weather balloon with a radar

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00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:23,940
reflector kite

540
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and then they had a press conference

541
00:23:30,289 --> 00:23:27,840
late that afternoon at Fort Worth Texas

542
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:30,299
and they have Marcel pose with the

543
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:32,520
weather balloon on the floor in front of

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00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:35,400
him and the Press accepted it they got

545
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,659
away with it

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00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:39,360
and that's all they were hoping to

547
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:41,940
accomplish you know boy we we really bit

548
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:44,700
the bullet on that one but it worked it

549
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:46,260
worked

550
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:50,400
until you guys uncovered it uh you know

551
00:23:56,690 --> 00:23:53,700
well until Marcel went public Marcel was

552
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:56,700
diagnosed with uh terminal emphysema

553
00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,840
and in 1978 when he realized

554
00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:02,340
they're not going to come out with the

555
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:05,340
truth so he did and that's when he went

556
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,340
public and I love the quote and I'd use

557
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:11,039
it all the time where he stated quote

558
00:24:15,409 --> 00:24:13,140
being from now this was the lead

559
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,419
intelligence officer in the U.S military

560
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,480
at that time in charge of the atomic

561
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:21,360
bomb they were the first atomic bomb

562
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:24,299
Squadron in the world at that time and

563
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:27,419
Marcel would State quote being familiar

564
00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:31,020
with all materials both foreign and

565
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,640
domestic this was nothing made on this

566
00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:36,960
Earth

567
00:24:41,289 --> 00:24:38,700
yeah you don't get any more profound

568
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:43,669
the impact it's had on the family we're

569
00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:46,020
gonna have Jesse Marcel the third who is

570
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:48,659
the grandson on our show yes and good

571
00:24:51,770 --> 00:24:50,460
friends this story never wavered right

572
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,780
it was so important it went from

573
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:53,760
Grandfather to Father there was Diaries

574
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,580
they safe started this because of the

575
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:58,320
importance factor and it I'm sure it

576
00:25:02,570 --> 00:24:59,940
didn't do the many favors I mean you

577
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,580
think this topic is stigmatic now it was

578
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,320
very stigmatic in the late 40s people

579
00:25:09,169 --> 00:25:06,080
would think you're nuts

580
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,179
yeah just the third grandfather was the

581
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,760
Patsy he's ordered the pose with the

582
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:14,159
fake the phony weather balloon when he

583
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:16,860
knows full well it's not what they

584
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,380
recovered what they brought back down to

585
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:21,419
Roswell and that he had to live with and

586
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:23,940
then this picture is plastered all over

587
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,400
every major newspaper around the world

588
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:28,080
and

589
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,820
bitter

590
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:38,400
that he only stayed in the military for

591
00:25:43,549 --> 00:25:41,400
two more years and uh he would have

592
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:43,559
easily gone on to become a a general

593
00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:45,000
officer

594
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:47,940
and yet uh you're right they were

595
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,059
laughing behind his back they were you

596
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:53,279
know he came back to Roswell and nobody

597
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,080
was even talking to him because they

598
00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:56,880
were ordered not to they weren't

599
00:26:01,630 --> 00:25:59,100
supposed to say anything that would

600
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:01,640
potentially you know

601
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:04,799
raise his curiosity you know you know

602
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,840
what had happened while he was gone for

603
00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:08,340
those two days

604
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,400
yeah yeah you know and it's been such a

605
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:13,679
you know throughout history everybody's

606
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,900
had an experience with an encounter of a

607
00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:18,000
craft or military personnel that have

608
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,419
had encounters on bases it has been that

609
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:23,279
sort of follow-up that they're mocked by

610
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,840
their own peers

611
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:27,120
for an incredible story that actually

612
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,980
took place these people are brave to

613
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,659
come out these these men and women and

614
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:32,159
we say this all the time it's the men

615
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:34,440
and women in service that are coming

616
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:36,900
forward and explaining to us that

617
00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:37,980
there's something there there's

618
00:26:42,649 --> 00:26:40,200
something that they're experiencing as

619
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:42,659
much as the general population is that

620
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:45,000
civilians are experiencing and you know

621
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,340
there's a Common Thread there and like I

622
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:49,200
said my hat's off for anybody back in

623
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:51,539
the day that had enough balls to come

624
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,640
out and just say it like it was like now

625
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:55,679
it's a little bit easier to do so yeah

626
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:59,100
the taboo has been lifted to a great

627
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:01,080
degree with the Congressional hearings

628
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:05,039
here in Washington but the that I can

629
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:08,760
state that we can even document the

630
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:11,640
ridicule Factor right back to Roswell

631
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:13,500
that's where it originated

632
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:17,039
the very general his very office that

633
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:19,799
they had the balloon press conference

634
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,100
he was on an El Paso radio station just

635
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:25,380
a few days after

636
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,659
and he was asked by the host of the

637
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:29,760
program well General that explains

638
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,120
Roswell but isn't it true that there

639
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:35,039
have been Flying Saucer flying disc

640
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,940
sightings in every state throughout

641
00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:40,559
America

642
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:42,659
to which the general very coyly

643
00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:46,740
responded Yes yes that is true

644
00:27:52,750 --> 00:27:49,140
except for Kansas

645
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:52,760
which is a dry State

646
00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:55,980
they don't allow drinking yeah right so

647
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,620
for the first time suggesting that only

648
00:28:05,769 --> 00:28:01,679
those who over imbibe those who drink

649
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:05,779
see such things that's where it began

650
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:08,940
ancient times in ancient times you know

651
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,500
even like the Egyptians and stuff they

652
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,659
would report fiery discs in the sky and

653
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,640
there's many anomalous things reported

654
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,279
by very basic language but I mean you

655
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,480
think about it it's like they were

656
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:20,159
describing some high tech even though

657
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:22,260
they were using basic language but there

658
00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:24,900
was no ridicule because nobody had said

659
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,400
that you were crazy if you think that

660
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:28,799
there was no truth embargo as Stephen

661
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:30,779
Bassett likes to call it not a cover-up

662
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,140
but a truth embargo you know cover-ups

663
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:36,600
are illegal and embargo is if you're

664
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,820
already in power you have every right to

665
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:41,279
just withhold because you could say it's

666
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,620
for national service security right

667
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:45,900
right yeah and

668
00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:49,140
and the idea that

669
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:51,539
that was one of

670
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:57,960
manners by which they designed that not

671
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,260
only would they explain away Roswell

672
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,600
they then put on balloon demonstrations

673
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:06,480
which we've also documented All Over

674
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:09,299
America where they invited the press to

675
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,419
come in and film as they were showing

676
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:15,120
that now it may not look like a balloon

677
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:17,100
or a flying saucer here on the ground

678
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:20,580
but once it's airborne and due to the

679
00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:22,860
atmospheric pressure and the balloon can

680
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,559
become elliptoid and it can reflect the

681
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,720
Sun and just like that like God it

682
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:29,220
doesn't have wings it doesn't have a

683
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:32,580
tail it's one of those flying discs but

684
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,760
then nobody asked the legitimate

685
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,880
question well but Roswell was on the

686
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:41,279
ground in front of them it was something

687
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:43,620
they could handle it was nothing more

688
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:46,500
than neoprene Rubber and reflective foil

689
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:50,760
and sticks and tape and string as you

690
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,220
are telling us but that's not what the

691
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:55,620
Witnesses are stating they're stating

692
00:30:03,110 --> 00:29:58,380
that it was something extraordinary

693
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,120
100 at 10 000 feet up yes maybe but not

694
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:05,039
on the ground when even a five-year-old

695
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:07,500
child would have been able to easily

696
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:10,020
identify a weather balloon for what it

697
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:12,299
was right and it wouldn't take it

698
00:30:19,090 --> 00:30:15,000
wouldn't take 60 men two days or three

699
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,100
days to you know yeah

700
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:21,919
yeah

701
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:26,279
sense

702
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:29,220
no and and putting that all together and

703
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:32,220
just the pieces of that puzzle and the

704
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:34,260
seeing the lack of contradiction and

705
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:35,880
seeing that

706
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:38,760
um there's a a wonderful he's a good

707
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,360
friend and writer and uh John Custer

708
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:45,120
melon and he did a wonderful book on the

709
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,320
atomic bomb

710
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,179
and when he was tracking down and

711
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:50,640
talking to the crew the pilots and crew

712
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:52,980
of the Enola Gay

713
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,640
and boxcar the 2B 29s that dropped the

714
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:59,039
atomic bomb over Hiroshima and then

715
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:00,600
Nagasaki

716
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,760
and he said to me Don be prepared

717
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:04,799
because you I can't tell you how often

718
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:07,740
I've had servicemen I've had retired

719
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:10,440
officers tell me I was on one of those

720
00:31:13,789 --> 00:31:11,580
flights

721
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:13,799
and they weren't

722
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:15,500
and I would say but it doesn't

723
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:19,679
disqualify the flight it does disqualify

724
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:22,500
the act of what took place

725
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:25,260
that's again human nature people like to

726
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:27,059
be part of some it may have been a

727
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:29,880
flight mechanic and it's it's grown to

728
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,860
the point that maybe he was in the

729
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,840
Bombay at some point but nonetheless I

730
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:35,580
was on that plane you know that type of

731
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:36,600
thing

732
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,460
it's like the fish story it's bigger

733
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,380
every time you tell it right you start

734
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:41,760
off sweeping on my floor next thing

735
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:43,500
you're flying the plane

736
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:46,260
exactly but that's been one of the

737
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:49,640
amazing things with Roswell which again

738
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:53,700
demonstrates the extraordinary a

739
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,340
characteristic involved whether it's

740
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:58,919
civilian you're talking about people who

741
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,799
are untrained who maybe they wouldn't

742
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:04,140
recognize a fuselage of a particular

743
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,360
plane they wouldn't recognize uh the

744
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,399
vacuum tubes and the wiring and the

745
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,320
sheet metal and the pop rivets and that

746
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:13,080
type of thing necessarily but then to

747
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:15,899
the highest level of the military and I

748
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,600
did a paper and I had a psychologist

749
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:20,700
who approached me on one occasion he

750
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,820
said Don I was a total skeptic but your

751
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:25,500
paper convinced me because you

752
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:28,440
demonstrated that whether it was an

753
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:31,260
unwashed innocent child or a four-star

754
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:34,440
general they all reacted the same way

755
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:38,220
they all behaved in the same mannerism

756
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:40,679
in dealing with this that it was

757
00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:43,020
something profound it was something they

758
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:44,520
would never forget it was again

759
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:48,960
something extraordinary and that's where

760
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,659
people who would claim to be part of a a

761
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,480
bombing rate you know you know a mission

762
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,880
that type of thing well

763
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:59,039
it's not extraordinary they've done it

764
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,020
before now granted this was with the

765
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,080
atomic Bond yes but to deal with

766
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:06,299
something off the planet as Marcel

767
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:09,960
described it not made on this Earth

768
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:12,120
how do you ever forget that

769
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,000
yeah and when you and as one witness

770
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:16,799
said to us it's the first thing I think

771
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,620
of every morning when I get up and it's

772
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,360
the last thing I think of when I go to

773
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:23,039
bed at night

774
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,860
yeah it changes people you can see it in

775
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:27,120
somebody's face

776
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:29,340
when we like even people we've talked to

777
00:33:33,769 --> 00:33:31,320
I mean it's just over Zoom but you can

778
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,779
see it in the person's face when they're

779
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:35,760
absolutely convicted that you know that

780
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,100
this really did happen to them that

781
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:39,679
they've really witnessed these things

782
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,120
and you know somebody who's fibbing

783
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,919
somebody who's lying like you get that

784
00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:45,360
sense that you know they might not be

785
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:47,340
telling the truth but all these people

786
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,799
coming forward now they're there's

787
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:51,659
something to it like there they wouldn't

788
00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:53,940
be jeopardizing their careers the

789
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:56,279
reputation the mockery that comes with

790
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,740
this uh you know it's a little bit more

791
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:01,080
like I said better accepted these days

792
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:03,480
than it has been in the past but when

793
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:05,399
you start hearing about other crashes in

794
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:06,779
the past you know because you've been

795
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,419
focusing on what Roswell there's that uh

796
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,240
Brazil the Virginia case where there was

797
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,639
a crash landing there as well supposedly

798
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,280
entities as well were captured you start

799
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:19,740
seeing that Survivor yeah you start

800
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:22,139
seeing themes almost reoccurring at

801
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,700
different locations across the planet

802
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:25,919
but there's definitely visitations

803
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:28,020
everywhere and like what are causing

804
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,700
this if you know do you have a theory

805
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,980
about what's causing these crashes this

806
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:33,839
is obviously advanced technology so

807
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:34,740
there's something that's got to be

808
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:36,599
bringing these things down

809
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,139
well we aren't and we we consider this

810
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:42,659
very early on now Marcel

811
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:45,540
and Cabot when they first arrived at the

812
00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:48,720
debris field they immediately saw or

813
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,339
they concluded it was a mid-air

814
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:51,599
explosion

815
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:54,960
it wasn't where it crashed that it uh

816
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,339
had blown up at some altitude

817
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:01,920
and that's the reason that it fanned out

818
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,980
with as much debris as it did for the

819
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:07,200
the length of uh terrain that it did

820
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,300
okay right

821
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,660
um so then you consider okay what could

822
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,599
have caused it to explode well when then

823
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:17,760
when we confirmed there was a severe

824
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:19,560
lightning storm

825
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:23,339
that came off the Capitan mountains that

826
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,660
very evening

827
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:26,820
in concern

828
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:28,200
and

829
00:35:34,370 --> 00:35:32,040
okay was it struck by lightning well but

830
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,380
then if it's some Advanced craft because

831
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:36,540
I've been in I've been in Planes when

832
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:38,579
they've been struck by lightning yeah

833
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:40,859
it's a it's a shock I mean the lights

834
00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:43,680
will flash off and but the planes are

835
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:46,740
designed to absorb you know and

836
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:49,260
dissipate and are grounded in such a way

837
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:53,520
that there have been but 99 of the time

838
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:55,560
there's no damage

839
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:58,380
these flight resumes thankfully

840
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,380
so then you start to question okay maybe

841
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:03,839
this wasn't an actual spaceship maybe it

842
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:06,420
was a a scoutcraft a reconnaissance

843
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:09,420
craft something that was designed to

844
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,900
maneuver strictly in our atmosphere

845
00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:15,359
and yet it's

846
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,040
had a reaction to a a direct bolt of

847
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:22,740
lightning that was fatal

848
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,560
we don't know and none of the witnesses

849
00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:27,839
ever described that they came to any

850
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:31,079
conclusion at that time well then I had

851
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,140
an engineer who happened to be a radar

852
00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:36,240
expert with a CIA

853
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:39,780
in the past and he suggested that we

854
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,839
look into the radar

855
00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:45,839
systems at that time and because the

856
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:47,579
lobes of the radar

857
00:36:54,349 --> 00:36:51,000
from White Sands Proving Ground Roswell

858
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,359
Kirtland Air Force Base there was a a

859
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:56,700
radar facility in Vaughan New Mexico

860
00:37:03,470 --> 00:36:59,400
which is about 100 miles north of

861
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:03,480
Roswell and then Cannon Army Airfield

862
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,900
about an hour north east of Roswell what

863
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:08,520
was interesting is that when you check

864
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:12,720
where did all the radar lobes intersect

865
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,079
in that very County Lincoln County where

866
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:18,960
this incident happened so then he

867
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:21,780
suggested well well radar was in its

868
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:23,820
infancy at that time

869
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:28,859
so the frequencies were not consistent

870
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,060
that they were high and low and each

871
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:35,940
system had its own capacity and its own

872
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:38,280
power and as a result it may have

873
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:41,880
created a level of interference that may

874
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:44,280
have thrown off their their guidance

875
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:48,359
system who can say who can say so I I

876
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,240
appreciate I love that I can speculate

877
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:54,000
but I can but I can also say that to

878
00:37:59,390 --> 00:37:56,460
this day we still have no idea what

879
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:59,400
caused caused the crash yeah I've heard

880
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,500
people hypothesize that it was shot down

881
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,119
but it seems like none of the action

882
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:05,760
happened until was it Matt Brazil the

883
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:08,339
gentleman who went to the sheriff so

884
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,900
none of it got escalated until he went

885
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:11,400
and said hey there's like a mile worth

886
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:14,220
of blown up stuff in my field we're not

887
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:15,960
doing things

888
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,140
right right and and there too you make

889
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:22,500
an excellent point if it was shot down

890
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,500
for having been to the actual debris

891
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:27,780
field with all the archaeological work

892
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:30,780
and we have flown it's High Desert it's

893
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:33,000
wide open range

894
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:37,680
it's basically high flat open desert and

895
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:39,540
for having flown over the area in small

896
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,400
planes and helicopters one of the things

897
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,880
that immediately you you make note of is

898
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,040
that once you are airborne you can see

899
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:49,920
for 50 miles with absolutely no

900
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:51,960
obstruction whatsoever

901
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:54,839
the point being that if it was something

902
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:57,060
we were involved with that we brought

903
00:39:00,849 --> 00:38:57,960
down

904
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,859
or something that we had we were testing

905
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,599
and had gone off course

906
00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:05,760
we would they would have retrieved it

907
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:07,859
they would have recovered it before even

908
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:09,660
the Rancher found it

909
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,579
because they would have been again they

910
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:13,440
were area reconnaissance they would have

911
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,680
been right there nothing like now we're

912
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:19,020
fearing like with the down balloons that

913
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,700
the terrain is so rough and uh that uh

914
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:26,400
in the upper in the North Area the Yukon

915
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:29,640
that um it makes it almost impossible

916
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,700
this time of year to have access well

917
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:34,800
why did you why did you bring it down in

918
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:36,359
an area that you couldn't retrieve it in

919
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:38,700
the first place yeah when you had ample

920
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:40,380
opportunity to bring it down somewhere

921
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:43,560
else so we're jumping ahead here but

922
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:46,920
it's like sorry you're lying you're not

923
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:49,380
being honest with the public we're on to

924
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:51,480
you because I can look back at Roswell

925
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,359
and I can see that

926
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,579
for example they were launching all the

927
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:58,740
recovered German V2 rockets at the White

928
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:00,839
Sands Proving Grounds

929
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:03,839
and they had a destruct mechanism

930
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:06,839
installed in the nose cone because they

931
00:40:12,589 --> 00:40:10,440
had a Hermes rocket that went off course

932
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:12,599
and I went across the border and it

933
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:15,900
landed in Juarez Mexico

934
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:17,400
well they were going to make sure that

935
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:19,020
never happened again but the point they

936
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:22,320
were right there to recover it right

937
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:23,940
because they would have had hell to pay

938
00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:27,780
people being injured and Crossing as far

939
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:29,660
as you know

940
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:33,480
as far as a the Border one country into

941
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:36,780
another that type of thing so if they

942
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:39,300
could do it back in 1947 we certainly

943
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:41,400
can do it in 2023.

944
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,000
yeah right so this excuse that well it's

945
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,240
inaccessible we couldn't get to it so

946
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,119
I will add one thing to that though we

947
00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:53,280
all take for granted the fact that we

948
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:54,780
know what Antarctica looks like

949
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:57,060
underneath the ice so that means we have

950
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,579
imagery Imaging from satellites or

951
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:01,440
whatever that can literally see through

952
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,020
miles of ice so I don't care how much

953
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:07,200
snow they're saying fell it is not like

954
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:09,900
Antarctica levels no if they can see the

955
00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:11,640
islands of Antarctica they could find a

956
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,230
I wholeheartedly agree and then one of

957
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:20,700
the the uh press conference is the

958
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,180
Pentagon they actually it was uh the

959
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:25,920
press secretary was Kirby they actually

960
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:27,420
made the comma that it was heading

961
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,420
towards the North Pole

962
00:41:35,569 --> 00:41:32,640
which immediately brought in visions of

963
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,579
Santa Claus right so was that they're

964
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,460
inside their little inside joke about

965
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:40,079
all this it was heading towards the

966
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,780
North Pole and uh we hope Mrs Claus will

967
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:44,520
understand you know the type of thing

968
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,780
yeah yeah even we brought this up a few

969
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,180
podcasts uh about I keep mentioning this

970
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:53,760
because this is important in the uh

971
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:58,380
briefing that uh you know or new ufp uh

972
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:01,140
report that came out to Congress it says

973
00:42:07,069 --> 00:42:03,300
specifically that there's been no

974
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:07,079
mid-air collision between uaps or UFOs

975
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:09,240
and aircraft

976
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,079
as of late there seems to be you know a

977
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:15,359
fear of these uaps wherever they are

978
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:16,980
with aircraft that we're shooting them

979
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,400
down in the middle of nowhere Alaska and

980
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,079
Yukon where I don't think there's many

981
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,660
planes flying in that area so there's

982
00:42:28,190 --> 00:42:26,640
not that much risk but supposing you

983
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:28,200
know they pose such a high risk that

984
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:29,820
we're going after these things in the

985
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:32,339
middle of nowhere uh and I find that

986
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,140
funny because you know before in the

987
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:35,760
report said no there's nothing to fear

988
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,500
there's been no collision between plane

989
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,020
and and these crafts whatever they are

990
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:42,480
or air garbage as we're recently being

991
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,339
told right so that's a new thing air

992
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,800
garbage yeah our garbage is so good it

993
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,000
floats

994
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:50,640
um or even we're mentioning uh there was

995
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:52,440
an article that mentioned that these uh

996
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,359
and Louis helped me out here that the

997
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:56,520
guys the inflatable guys for a car

998
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,640
dealership hockey Waving Inflatable Arm

999
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:01,200
flailing Tube Man or something like that

1000
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:03,720
you know the used car great yeah yeah so

1001
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:04,980
they're trying to say that this is what

1002
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:08,040
people are seeing as UFOs and it's

1003
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:09,900
ridiculous like they're playing people

1004
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:12,980
off as as idiots and most likely

1005
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,319
yeah yeah and the fighter pilots too

1006
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:18,000
right the fighter pilots are the most

1007
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:20,460
trained Professionals in the world and

1008
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,540
they're making them sound like they're

1009
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:23,880
again fooled by seagulls or space

1010
00:43:29,089 --> 00:43:26,819
garbage it's ridiculous

1011
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:29,099
and the point being and I and as you

1012
00:43:34,809 --> 00:43:31,560
mentioned before we went on the air

1013
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:34,819
that in my own postings that I've been

1014
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:37,680
hammering home the fact that

1015
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:40,380
who's calling these UFOs it's not the

1016
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,660
general public yeah yeah no one is

1017
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:44,880
reporting UFOs in the midst of all this

1018
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:47,579
it's the Pentagon it's the mainstream

1019
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,619
media this morning on the Sunday morning

1020
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:52,079
talk shows again they kept talking about

1021
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,940
UFOs

1022
00:43:59,050 --> 00:43:56,040
and the fact that we're shooting down

1023
00:44:03,230 --> 00:43:59,060
UFO so why do they

1024
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:03,240
insist on using that terminology

1025
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,060
and I've been going back and forth with

1026
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,460
some of the the Skeptics who are saying

1027
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:10,319
well it just proves how gullible the UFO

1028
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,260
Community is no no no no no no it was

1029
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,540
like back in the 1950s

1030
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,940
and it was Project Blue Book at that

1031
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,920
time the third official investigation of

1032
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:21,480
the UFO phenomenon

1033
00:44:30,109 --> 00:44:24,660
and they were going to do a test on mass

1034
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:30,119
hysteria the idea that if we stage a UFO

1035
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:34,020
incident that we can demonstrate that

1036
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:37,560
people overreact and they'll all be

1037
00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:40,859
flooding switchboards calling in all

1038
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:42,780
these UFO reports

1039
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:45,540
so it was late during the night that

1040
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,540
they dropped these these large sections

1041
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:51,119
of red reflective foil

1042
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,780
and sure enough the next morning they'll

1043
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:57,599
phone calls were coming in throughout

1044
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,300
that entire region of Florida

1045
00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:03,119
but not a one was about a UFO every one

1046
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,359
of them was about a sheet of red foil

1047
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,119
the Witnesses were describing exactly

1048
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:11,520
what they saw yeah

1049
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:14,040
and the Air Force never publicized that

1050
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:17,579
we had a it came out later with Captain

1051
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:19,619
Edward ruppert's book report on

1052
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,200
unidentified flying objects and he was

1053
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,000
the first director of Blue Book

1054
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,520
and how he they were told not to say a

1055
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,319
word about the fact that the Air Force

1056
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:31,520
proved exactly what how legitimate

1057
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,920
eyewitnesses are that they report in

1058
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,200
they did the general report what they

1059
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:39,119
are observing what they see

1060
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,359
yeah and these objects maneuver in ways

1061
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:44,400
that we know as humans we cannot

1062
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,380
reproduce this or would not survive

1063
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:48,720
these Maneuvers when you hear about you

1064
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,339
know these you know they're going at the

1065
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:53,760
Mach 5 entertain doing right angles and

1066
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:56,099
and it's just crazy like we cannot

1067
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,780
survive that we know that we don't have

1068
00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,940
the technology for that what's more

1069
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,619
impressive about these crafts is that

1070
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:03,780
they appear to be conscious there seems

1071
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,940
to be like a Consciousness to them the

1072
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,560
way that they maneuver the way that they

1073
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:10,079
fly they're almost aware of everybody

1074
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,540
that's in a craft if they're looking at

1075
00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:15,599
an airplane or have had a lady here in

1076
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:17,339
Vancouver who reached out to me and she

1077
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,500
had an incident what a green orb fell in

1078
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:21,359
front of her windshield as she's driving

1079
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,119
about 80 kilometers an hour and it it

1080
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:26,220
followed her perfectly backwards it did

1081
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,900
a scan of the car and it went back up

1082
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,000
and she was terrified this was back in

1083
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,880
the 1970s yeah so there's Amazing

1084
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,319
Stories like that where these things

1085
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,480
seem to be conscious even the orbs and

1086
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:38,160
stuff and there's there's something to

1087
00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:40,020
it the more we delve into this

1088
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:42,540
phenomenal the more that we're trying to

1089
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:44,040
avoid the Consciousness thing but we

1090
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,200
can't it seems to be evidence right so

1091
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:48,480
yeah yeah and you make a wonderful point

1092
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:51,540
that anyone without a preconceived

1093
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,200
Theory as to what we're dealing with

1094
00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:56,579
who seriously looks into this

1095
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:59,819
objectively unbiasedly just uh let's go

1096
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:01,560
where the evidence takes us

1097
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:04,920
they invariably Come Away There's an

1098
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:06,359
actual phenomenon there's something

1099
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:09,300
there there's something uh of an

1100
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,579
intelligence that is interacting within

1101
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,680
our environment interacting we're

1102
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:15,839
retracted on radar we're able to clock

1103
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:19,800
it it's it's able to uh submerge itself

1104
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:22,680
into bodies of water and even underwater

1105
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:25,980
travel at hundreds of knots an hour that

1106
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:28,440
type of thing and

1107
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:32,460
I will you know State just by my many

1108
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:34,200
years experience with all the the

1109
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:36,359
bunkers they're not Skeptics they're the

1110
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,380
bunkers

1111
00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:39,599
they have an agenda

1112
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:42,920
they have a preconceived position and

1113
00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:46,140
there isn't enough truth there there

1114
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:48,599
will never be enough evidence or facts

1115
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:51,420
that will ever change them because it's

1116
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:55,619
their world it's what their mission in

1117
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,560
life for if they're working for someone

1118
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:00,660
else or if it's just a case of what

1119
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,720
gives them a lot of notoriety because

1120
00:48:09,790 --> 00:48:06,480
the media goes to them to get the

1121
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:09,800
alternative get the opposing viewpoint

1122
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:13,980
and again it's a preconceived position

1123
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,400
and if we were to have it they'd be the

1124
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,480
first ones

1125
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:21,599
you know crying foul against us but they

1126
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:23,579
can do it it's just that

1127
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,859
the double standard and keep in mind

1128
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:27,660
that most of them the critics don't do

1129
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,119
the amount of research and field work

1130
00:48:34,609 --> 00:48:32,579
that you have done uh even we're talking

1131
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:34,619
about Stanton Friedman and you know he

1132
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:36,660
used to foam at the mouth at his critics

1133
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:37,619
because

1134
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:39,540
they weren't out in the field they would

1135
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:42,599
just grab his book read it yeah exactly

1136
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,760
and then just try to destroy him in his

1137
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:46,319
theories it's like he's actually doing

1138
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:48,180
field work so when you're going on

1139
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,280
camera and they have you and then they

1140
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:52,319
have another person that's just a critic

1141
00:48:56,089 --> 00:48:54,300
that hasn't done any of the the the work

1142
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:56,099
or research that you've done like that's

1143
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:57,900
got to be insulting I mean it's not

1144
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,260
equal equal opinions by any means and I

1145
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:02,880
think that the media needs to stop doing

1146
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:04,020
that

1147
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:13,500
when it's your research

1148
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:16,200
no one else can take it away from you

1149
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,839
they may be able to parallel or counter

1150
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,579
it but they better damn what I've done

1151
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:22,740
it also in the field

1152
00:49:27,970 --> 00:49:25,140
because if they've done it merely at

1153
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:27,980
their keyboard it's not research yeah

1154
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:30,420
they they're going to cherry pick and

1155
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,520
they're going to come up with a

1156
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:34,319
hypothesis and then set out to prove it

1157
00:49:40,550 --> 00:49:37,619
it doesn't work that way yeah and yet

1158
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,560
too much of science is preconceived and

1159
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:42,300
then too much of science they receive

1160
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:45,380
their grants and their special funding

1161
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,380
and they work for a corporation they

1162
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,079
work for the government and they set out

1163
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:53,520
to prove something whether they actually

1164
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:56,460
believe it or not with us we were

1165
00:50:03,470 --> 00:49:59,460
Skeptics and we set out to disprove

1166
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:03,480
something and we were wrong we were

1167
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:06,780
wrong the evidence took us in the

1168
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:10,140
direction that it provided us with the

1169
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,300
only possible explanation

1170
00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:14,760
and as Marcel again said it was

1171
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,180
something not made on this earth right

1172
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:20,640
and when you hear cases about uh Zamora

1173
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,160
in you know was it 63 or something like

1174
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:26,640
that when yeah April 64 the police

1175
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:30,599
officer right right yeah that was fairly

1176
00:50:35,650 --> 00:50:32,460
close to Roswell wasn't it like it was

1177
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:35,660
within it was about

1178
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:40,020
250 miles to the northwest

1179
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:41,700
um I've been there many times to the

1180
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,339
actual Landing site

1181
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:47,520
and I had spoke to Lonnie before he died

1182
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:50,160
I had met with his wife Mary before she

1183
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:52,740
died I know their daughter very well

1184
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:56,460
and I met with some of the surviving

1185
00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:59,579
police officers who were involved I even

1186
00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:03,119
had one of them sketch the size of they

1187
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:05,220
never talk about the footprints because

1188
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:08,940
as more people arrived on the scene they

1189
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:11,760
obliterated some of the evidence and

1190
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:13,380
some of the original evidence was there

1191
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,020
were actual Footprints of a at the size

1192
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:18,240
of a shoe of a 10 year old

1193
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:20,280
that were still present

1194
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:24,960
and to have them sketch exactly the

1195
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,800
shape

1196
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:27,839
of those footprints

1197
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:31,500
now again there were bodies there were

1198
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,300
there were two beings that were standing

1199
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:35,940
there yeah and there were a lot of

1200
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:38,760
pictures taken there was film that was

1201
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:42,900
shot at the time and heinek was there as

1202
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,720
well representing Project Blue Book and

1203
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:48,720
it's the one case that truly turned him

1204
00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:52,440
from a complete debunker to where my God

1205
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:56,280
as much as I tried I could not prove the

1206
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:00,059
case was a hoax right then

1207
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,760
the the craft was eggshelled or egg

1208
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:05,280
shaped as well right yeah yeah that

1209
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:07,319
seems to be another current theme that

1210
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:09,240
we find like even we talked to Jacques

1211
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:13,619
valet and he's studied a case in 1943 I

1212
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:14,940
was just at a meeting with Jacques this

1213
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:18,180
afternoon so yeah and he had like out of

1214
00:52:23,450 --> 00:52:21,300
shape right yeah exactly Kecksburg

1215
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,460
Pennsylvania egg shape yeah so there

1216
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:25,680
seems to be a theme there yeah yeah well

1217
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:27,660
texberg uh was what did they say about

1218
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:30,839
acorn acorn yeah sure but still

1219
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:34,440
cylindrical cylindrical right yeah now I

1220
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:36,059
I know we got just a few minutes left

1221
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,980
here I I did want to address the stuff

1222
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:39,780
that's in the news as of late because we

1223
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:41,700
have to address it I find that there's a

1224
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:43,800
lot of similarities between what the

1225
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:46,619
government just did to the 1947 case

1226
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,660
coming out saying they shot some UFOs

1227
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:50,940
and then going we don't know what they

1228
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:58,849
yeah Jesse Marcel all over again yeah

1229
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:01,740
it's always balloon yeah always blues

1230
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:04,500
and to me it was a total flashback the

1231
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:07,980
idea that well the 509th bomb Wing the

1232
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:09,720
first atomic bomb sprouted in the world

1233
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:12,420
we are still led to believe that that

1234
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:15,420
back in 1947 they couldn't tell the

1235
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:17,940
difference between a balloon and

1236
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:20,960
something Beyond The Pale something

1237
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,460
extraordinary well and we have the same

1238
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:25,680
thing today that they still don't know

1239
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,920
what it is they still you know they even

1240
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:30,960
the pilots they weren't able to make a

1241
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:33,300
positive identification before they lost

1242
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,180
their their Sidewinder missiles and like

1243
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:38,640
the one over Lake Huron that it took two

1244
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:40,380
missiles to bring down one little

1245
00:53:44,829 --> 00:53:42,300
balloon you know that

1246
00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:44,839
yeah and a million dollars worth yeah

1247
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,660
you add into the equation that um

1248
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:51,599
there have been Russian spy balloons

1249
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,640
over Ukraine

1250
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:55,440
and there were five of them shot down

1251
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:56,940
this past week

1252
00:54:02,470 --> 00:53:59,640
and I thought to myself

1253
00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:02,480
were they're launching

1254
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:05,940
expensive air-to-ground missiles icbms

1255
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,339
at these inexpensive Little Blues

1256
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,319
they're drawing their fire it's like

1257
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:12,720
killing an ant with a balloon with a

1258
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,040
bullet

1259
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:16,079
and it's like

1260
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:20,400
don't we get it I mean I I we still just

1261
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:23,880
that naive that ignorant and I think

1262
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:26,099
in many cases they're still playing off

1263
00:54:29,150 --> 00:54:27,480
of what they thought they've

1264
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:29,160
accomplished after the last 75 years

1265
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:32,099
that we have fooled them all this time

1266
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:34,859
and they're going to fall for it again

1267
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:37,859
and much credit to you know programs

1268
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,619
like your own and the others that just

1269
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,480
keep reminding people

1270
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,839
it's been a 75-year cover-up what makes

1271
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:47,160
us believe that they're going to roll

1272
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,040
over and tell us everything exactly come

1273
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,200
on tomorrow no when has the government

1274
00:54:56,450 --> 00:54:54,660
ever been forthcoming like a few days

1275
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:56,460
ago we're all waiting with baited breath

1276
00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:58,140
what's the government going to say next

1277
00:55:00,910 --> 00:54:59,819
give your head a shake what are you

1278
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:00,920
doing

1279
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:03,720
benefit them they wouldn't be telling us

1280
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,119
because we know they can just make it go

1281
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:08,700
away that's the the default reaction

1282
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:12,000
clean it up silence Witnesses don't say

1283
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:13,260
a word or you're going to jail forever

1284
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:15,480
and that's how convenient we've called

1285
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:19,319
off the recovery operation so again how

1286
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:21,540
convenient yeah we talked about that

1287
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,220
before the show Jason I said you know

1288
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:25,920
you call off a recovery effort when you

1289
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:27,900
know in a heartbreaking situation where

1290
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:29,339
there's an earthquake and buildings

1291
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:31,559
collapse we've searched for two weeks

1292
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,900
you know there's no more survivors and

1293
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:36,240
it's sad and they call it off this is

1294
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:38,040
supposed to be wreckage or a balloon in

1295
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:39,180
the snow why the hell would you ever

1296
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,700
shut like there's no reason to call off

1297
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,160
the search but but it's like we're used

1298
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,079
to seeing them do those things in other

1299
00:55:51,049 --> 00:55:48,960
recovery Expeditions and we're pretty

1300
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:51,059
much sheep for the most part but like

1301
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,440
think about that when would there ever

1302
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,240
be a time you'd have to cut like call it

1303
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:56,400
off or wait till the summer this

1304
00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:57,960
so-called snow you're really worried

1305
00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:00,059
about I mean it's it's not 10 feet of

1306
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:02,040
snow all year round we do live in Canada

1307
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:04,859
not obviously the Arctic most Canadians

1308
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,540
live pretty close to the northern U.S

1309
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,000
border but for the vast majority it is

1310
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,740
uninhabitable but people live in Alaska

1311
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,680
it's not 10 feet of snow every day and

1312
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,599
we have the tax so they would just say

1313
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:17,640
we can't find it yet but you know

1314
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,980
Springs around the corner it just it

1315
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,420
just seems like a narrative somebody's

1316
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:24,480
pushing and the advantage they also have

1317
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:26,040
is that they have the willing

1318
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,800
accomplices in the media you also know

1319
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:30,960
nothing about this subject and they get

1320
00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:34,020
their marching orders and they just uh

1321
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:37,079
you know continue the drum beat of uh

1322
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,140
you know what something is juxtaposed to

1323
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,960
what it truly is I remember miles Brian

1324
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:45,200
he used to be the uh the science

1325
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:48,300
reporter with CNN years ago

1326
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:50,760
and we were filming in New Mexico and we

1327
00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:52,859
happened to be at the old military the

1328
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:55,740
braz bomb Airfield and we were in the

1329
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:57,420
very Hangar that everything had

1330
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:01,079
transited through building P3 B-29

1331
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:02,160
hangar

1332
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,880
and we were off Mike and he he says to

1333
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:07,440
be Don you know you've spent a good part

1334
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,900
of your life working on this why are you

1335
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,040
doing this

1336
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,200
and I looked him Square in the eye and I

1337
00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:15,839
went because you won't

1338
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:17,720
he didn't talk to me the rest of the day

1339
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:20,700
as I struck a nerve yeah I struck a big

1340
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:21,720
nerve

1341
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,780
it was the truth they um

1342
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:27,119
they are not assigned to get to the

1343
00:57:32,089 --> 00:57:28,619
bottom of this

1344
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:32,099
and if they want to stay connected to

1345
00:57:38,809 --> 00:57:35,640
the powers that be they they listen they

1346
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,819
follow you know the script yeah and uh

1347
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:40,079
it's sad

1348
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,020
that they should be the Watchers at the

1349
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:44,640
gate they're the ones that are supposed

1350
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:48,180
to be protecting us from the government

1351
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:49,980
and they've been in bed with the

1352
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,740
government in many ways since 1947.

1353
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:55,200
since her as well

1354
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:57,059
yeah I find it very interesting that

1355
00:58:03,290 --> 00:57:59,940
we've we've come this far uh you know

1356
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:03,300
with the subject of uaps UFOs most

1357
00:58:07,309 --> 00:58:05,880
people that we talk to even like some

1358
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:07,319
people have reached out to us recently

1359
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,240
that have never taken an interest in

1360
00:58:12,589 --> 00:58:11,339
what Louie and I have been doing all of

1361
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:12,599
a sudden they're like hey actually you

1362
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,619
know it's really interesting what's

1363
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:15,960
happening right now or uh you know

1364
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:18,180
everybody has a story either they've

1365
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,920
seen something themselves or their

1366
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:21,359
parents or grandparents seen something

1367
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,160
that was so profound that it became

1368
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:25,680
family Legend we all know that

1369
00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:28,020
something's going on is you know that's

1370
00:58:31,069 --> 00:58:29,700
why I think it's insulting that the

1371
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,079
government doesn't just come out and

1372
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:33,359
tell us like adults hey here's what

1373
00:58:37,849 --> 00:58:35,460
we're dealing with it could be a very

1374
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:37,859
complex issue because we talked to you

1375
00:58:41,049 --> 00:58:38,940
know a lot of people have different

1376
00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:41,059
varying ideas of what it could be

1377
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,040
extraterrestrial interdimensional uh and

1378
00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:47,359
extra 10 pastoral

1379
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:49,859
yeah time travel could be all of the

1380
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:51,720
above that might be the scary scenario

1381
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,400
that we're dealing with a multitude of

1382
00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:55,740
different things okay that's scary to

1383
00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:57,480
deal with but Elise admit it to the

1384
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:59,700
public that there's more to reality than

1385
00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:02,640
what we're being cold there is and

1386
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:04,440
that's really the the service that we're

1387
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:06,059
doing to our own population is not

1388
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:08,700
telling the reality of the universe that

1389
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:11,160
we are not alone that there is some sort

1390
00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:13,619
of visitation or or monitoring of some

1391
00:59:19,370 --> 00:59:16,140
sort we're old enough and mature enough

1392
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:19,380
to handle it uh but I think maybe some

1393
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:20,940
people don't like some people that are

1394
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,680
you know fundamentally stuck in their

1395
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:25,200
page yeah but Jason you make an

1396
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,140
excellent point that what if it is

1397
00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:30,960
something beyond our comprehension which

1398
00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:33,059
I am fully willing to accept what what

1399
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,119
if it is something interdimensional

1400
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:39,359
how do you announce that to the public

1401
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:42,960
and what if it indeed as I remain

1402
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,319
convinced it's still a cover-up of

1403
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:48,720
ignorance right they don't know any more

1404
00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,319
than we do yeah and the plead ignorance

1405
00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:54,599
for something that is able to fly

1406
00:59:58,849 --> 00:59:56,700
through our airspace but total impunity

1407
01:00:02,030 --> 00:59:58,859
and they're able to pick up people right

1408
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,040
from their very homes they're able to uh

1409
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:04,799
you know have near hit-on collisions

1410
01:00:10,490 --> 01:00:06,900
with both Military and Commercial

1411
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:10,500
aircraft and the only thing they can do

1412
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:13,140
is file away reports

1413
01:00:18,530 --> 01:00:16,140
and as a result the moment we start

1414
01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:18,540
losing faith

1415
01:00:22,609 --> 01:00:19,859
and

1416
01:00:24,530 --> 01:00:22,619
the sense of well-being

1417
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,540
with our not our government but with our

1418
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,640
military who protect us within our

1419
01:00:31,849 --> 01:00:29,280
borders and if we start doubting you

1420
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:31,859
know that level of

1421
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,660
um sovereignty

1422
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:35,640
and just security

1423
01:00:40,849 --> 01:00:38,339
and maybe they feel they can't afford to

1424
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,859
bring us in on that the lack of control

1425
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:42,480
on their part

1426
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:44,700
and I guess for that

1427
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:47,940
I could excuse them but I need we need

1428
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:49,799
to hear that from them

1429
01:00:54,170 --> 01:00:52,140
right that there is and I think we have

1430
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:54,180
in the last couple years where they have

1431
01:00:58,849 --> 01:00:56,160
acknowledged that there is a phenomena

1432
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:58,859
that there is something there

1433
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:01,140
so we have made progress and Steve

1434
01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:03,720
Bassett I know he's he's championing at

1435
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:04,920
the pit

1436
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:07,740
but uh he's earned that too

1437
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,180
you know we chat with him in a couple

1438
01:01:12,890 --> 01:01:11,280
weeks again we're uh I was excited to

1439
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:12,900
give Steve's perspective you just wind

1440
01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:16,079
him up away he goes dear friend dear

1441
01:01:21,049 --> 01:01:18,059
friend and you talk about somebody who

1442
01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:21,059
has not profited from this at all yeah I

1443
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:22,500
mean he's been he's lived on a

1444
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:25,680
shoestring just for decades now and all

1445
01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:28,500
he wants is as we all do the truth

1446
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,040
whatever it happens to be because back

1447
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:35,280
in 47 it was unprecedented but we've all

1448
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:37,980
grown up with the space race and with

1449
01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:39,780
Star Trek and Star Wars and everything

1450
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,599
else if we haven't matured enough to

1451
01:01:47,690 --> 01:01:45,119
handle it then we never will then we

1452
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:47,700
never will yeah we're ready we're ready

1453
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:50,520
well said Don uh Louis do you have any

1454
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:51,960
final questions for our guests yeah Don

1455
01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:53,099
where can people find what you're

1456
01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:54,420
working on right now if they want to

1457
01:01:58,670 --> 01:01:56,700
follow you buy your books where can they

1458
01:02:01,549 --> 01:01:58,680
learn more about Mr Schmidt

1459
01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:01,559
well the books are probably all Roswell

1460
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:03,480
but they're all available at Barnes and

1461
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:06,660
Noble and at Amazon and find bookstores

1462
01:02:10,849 --> 01:02:09,599
and outlets around the world

1463
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:10,859
um many of the books have been published

1464
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:14,640
in other languages as well and uh we

1465
01:02:20,530 --> 01:02:17,339
have our Museum in Roswell we have our

1466
01:02:24,109 --> 01:02:20,540
website there international UFO Museum

1467
01:02:27,289 --> 01:02:24,119
and I I probably am on Facebook because

1468
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:27,299
I love the uh The Exchange as far as

1469
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:29,099
with people and I can it's it's it's

1470
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:31,500
it's it's timely it's it's instantaneous

1471
01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:34,140
it's uh we're something I can be on top

1472
01:02:39,530 --> 01:02:37,559
of things on a moment-to-moment basis so

1473
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:39,540
yeah that's how that's how we

1474
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:42,000
communicated it was a really good to be

1475
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:44,220
able to reach out together uh that was a

1476
01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:46,020
good uh good form of communication for

1477
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,660
sure uh don we appreciate your time on

1478
01:02:52,490 --> 01:02:50,460
the podcast we hope that you'll come

1479
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:52,500
back and be a guest again uh it's been

1480
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:54,180
like I said an absolute pleasure to talk

1481
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,940
with you we're big fans and uh we thank

1482
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,280
you for all the years of of dedication

1483
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,680
and service that you've done for UFO

1484
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:04,079
research uh there's not much money to be

1485
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,180
made in this unfortunately so people

1486
01:03:11,289 --> 01:03:07,920
that that write books and stuff like

1487
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:11,299
that is really for the love right yeah

1488
01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:14,520
you two are both sharp gentlemen I

1489
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:16,500
appreciate that and you asked good

1490
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:19,680
questions and uh you come across very

1491
01:03:25,609 --> 01:03:23,160
well so I I applaud both of you and wish

1492
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,619
you all the continuing success with your

1493
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:27,119
your program as well thank you for

1494
01:03:30,049 --> 01:03:28,200
having me thank you and you're welcome

1495
01:03:32,089 --> 01:03:30,059
here anytime in fact let's do this again

1496
01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:32,099
soon because you started you know an

1497
01:03:36,349 --> 01:03:33,960
hour flies by and we can just barely

1498
01:03:37,549 --> 01:03:36,359
graze the surface of this but it's good

1499
01:03:44,110 --> 01:03:37,559
shoe in the face